Dear readers, Many english speaking readers, especially of greek origin, have requested that we publish articles in English. We are happy to inform you, that we can respond to such requests. Our English speaking readers will be able to read in English, the article with the title "REPLY TO THE PROPAGANDA BY THE BBC", writen by Mr. Pavlos Chr. Altinis. On the behalf of the newspaper "kroua - kroua", Doris Koutouratsa
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TO THE BBC: “MACEDONIAN” MEANS
“GREEK”!!!
Florina Greece 24th February 2019
By Pavlos Altinis, Lawyer
I read in the English BBC an article about the
existence in Greece of a “non-Greek Macedonian minority”. This article is based
on an interview given by Mr. Fokas Spondis. The link to the said article is: https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-47258809 This article can be found in Greek here: https://www.pronews.gr/amyna-asfaleia/ethnika-themata/753683_mas-pane-karfi-gia-diamelismo-megalo-afieroma-toy-bbc-stin?fbclid=IwAR2b-leTYC8MU5bn9dA9EKp2ZAhk2vjo7iXB2PJ-1GQ79OU6ps3c8gdEMWM
Once-upon-a-time the BBC was considered as absolutely
trustworthy and its articles used to be balanced, presenting all the
conflicting views. It is some years now that the BBC has degraded itself, has
fallen to the level of a propaganda mechanism and has become completely
untrustworthy.
That the BBC has become untrustworthy is evident from
the aforementioned article also, in which the views of Mr. Fokas Spondis are
presented. And they are presented as objective, as divine law, as if there is
no counter-argument. If the BBC wanted to be considered as trustworthy, it
should have presented also the views of somebody who disagrees with Mr. Fokas
Spondis. And there are so many who disagree with Mr. Fokas Spondis!!!!! And the
ones who agree with him are so few…. The BBC has done no such thing, hence I do
not do it any injustice referring to it as “untrustworthy”.
The BBC propagates the views of Mr. Fokas Spondis, who
is a retired lawyer of Ptolemaida, he is 92 years of age, insofar as I know has
never done anything to make him known in London and the BBC. Where and how the
BBC came across him, in order to propagate his views? Of course, perhaps I am
mistaken in saying that the BBC propagates the views of Mr. Fokas Spondis.
Maybe it is more correct to say, that the BBC by publicising the vies of Mr.
Fokas Spondis, propagates the views of the bankocratic system (“bank” meaning
“usurer” for present purposes), which has been established in Greece and the
whole of the Western world. For the prevailing system in the West is
“BANK-ocracy” and not “DEMO-cracy”!!!!
Mr. Foas Spondis has been a friend of my father, I
remember him since I was a very small child and I think I know him well. Other
than his views on Macedonia and Macedonians, Mr. Fokas Spondis I feel him as a
very dear person with good humour. Of course, such feelings do not prevent me
from arguing against his views and draw conclusions, which demonstrate that his
vies are unfounded.
Mr. Fokas Spondis argues that the is a “non-Greek
Macedonian” minority in Greece. The same view is held by the bankocratic
establishment. Mr. F. Spondis and the establishment say one and the same thing,
hence what Mr. F. Spondis says is “politically correct”, meaning it is favoured
by the establishment. And this is the reason why the (once-upon-a-time….) great
BBC, bothers with the views of Mr. F. Spondis, simply because these views are
“politically correct”, favoured by the establishment!!!
It does not suffice for an opinion to be “politically
correct” (i.e. “favoured by the establishment”), in order to be founded, true
or right. In the past, anti-communism was the “politically correct” view-point
in Greece and in Europe. This does not mean that all that was said then about
communism in the West, was true and was not propaganda. Similarly, in the past
in the communist countries the “politically correct” view-point was
anti-capitalism. This does not mean that all that was said then about
capitalism in the communist countries, was true and was not propaganda. The
conclusion is that, whoever propagates “politically correct” views most
probably engages in propaganda!!!
There is no reason why the aforementioned conclusion
should not apply also, to the views expressed by Mr. F. Spondis and which are
propagated WITHOUT PRESENTING THE COUNTER ARGUMENT, by the degraded BBC.
Les us focus on what it is that Mr. F. Spondis says.
The first thing he says is that, the “locals” (i.e. in
Greek “dopyi”, meaning “the indigenous Macedonians”, they whose forefathers
used the idiom which seemed as Slavic,
the ones whom an effort is made to present as non-Greek) have been persecuted
by the various Greek governments. It is true that they have been persecuted. In
order to have the complete picture of why they have been persecuted, we have to
look into the role of the “informants”. “Informants” were citizens giving
information to the authorities as to the anti-state activities, which were
supposed to be carried out by other citizens. A large percentage of the
“informants” were “locals”, who were telling lies to the authorities about
their co-villagers and, even, their relatives, so that the “informants” could
lay their hands on the land, the houses, the money, the wives and the
daughters, of those against whom they were giving information and who were
persecuted on the basis of fabricated information and testimonies. Such
information was given to corrupt civil servants, who were interested only in
abusing their power in order to gain power and material benefits. And in order
to gain benefits, they were using the “informants” as collaborators. These
things happen today also.
It is very interesting that being an “informant” was,
and still is, a family activity. It has been passed form parent to child, just
like a profession. The “informants” have always supporting the one in power,
irrespective of who was it that was in power. So, there were “informants” who
when the Bulgarians were powerful, they were declaring themselves as
Bulgarians. When the Greeks were in power, they were declaring themselves as
Greeks. When the Germans were in power, they were declaring themselves as
Germans. With the communists in power, they were declaring themselves as
communists. When the junta was in power, they were pro-junta. With Karamanlis
they were fervent right wingers, with A. Papnadreou they were fervent
socialists, then neo-liberals and today, leftists of the type favoured by the
governing party. The SAME
people who were enthusiastically clapping in demonstrations held in Florina in
favour of the military regime, were suddenly transformed to socialists, when A.
Papandreou came to power. I remember individuals who during the period of
right-wing rule declared themselves as “patriots and nationalists”, and who
today they, or their children, declare themselves as “masons and cosmopolites”.
If one really wants to comprehend what and who is to
be blamed for the persecution of the “locals”, one has to research into the
role of the “informants” and their relation to authority, which authority in
Greece has always been controlled by the foreign powers.
Of course, it was not only the “locals” who have been
persecuted. In Macedonia, and in the whole of Greece, everyone who was
powerless and who was not an “informant” has been persecuted. It was easier to
persecute the “locals”, by accusing for being “anti-greek”, using as a pretext the linguistic idiom they were speaking, which
idiom was presented by the propaganda as “Slavic”, while in reality it was
Greek which appeared as Slavic.
Besides, the powerless were persecuted not only in
Macedonia, but everywhere in Greece. The state in Greece was authoritarian and
there was reaction to authoritarianism, a fact that induced a harsh reaction
from the state. The result was that in the whole of Greece there have been many
incidents of persecution of the powerless, who were not “informants”.
Finally, let us focus on those individuals in Greece, who
have been made famous for claiming that (1) they themselves are “non-Greek
Macedonians” and, (2) that the “non-Greek Macedonians” are persecuted in Greece.
The said individuals are civil servants, and sometimes not only them, but also
everybody in their family are civil servants. Others are financially well-to-do
businessmen, some even contractors taking contracts from the state. Others as
professionals are favoured in a variety of ways. If their finances are looked
into, it will be proved that they are very well-to-do. If the sources of their
income are looked into, God only knows what can be found.
Hence, in the aforementioned interview of Mr. F.
Spondis, he does not say it all. He says only what serves best the “politically
correct” scenario (and not “narrative”, the term used by all those who want to
demonstrate their pro-Americanism). And because he does not say it all, what he
says is unfounded and constitutes propaganda.
But, Mr. Fokas Spondis says two more things, which are
very important and upon which I ABSOLUTELY have to focus.
The fist important thing Mr. Fokas Spondis says,
according to the BBC article, is the following: “Mr Fokas takes care to
emphasise from the start that he is both an ethnic Macedonian and a Greek
patriot.” How very interesting!!!! In other words, accornding to
Mr. Fokas Spondis it is possible to be both “Greek” and “ethnically Macedonian”
(i.e. ethnically “non-Greek”)!!! Hence, according to Mr. Fokas Spondis the
concept, the notion of “Greek” does not declare that there is a “Greek nation”.
So, as per Mr. Fokas Spondis, one can be at the same time both “ethnically
Macedonian” and “Greek”. Hence, as per Mr. F. Spondis claims, logically one can
be at the same time both “Nigerian” and “Greek”, and also both “Chinese” and
“Greek”, etc. In other words, according to Mr. F. Spondis the notion of “Greek” is a multinational notion!!!
And, if it is multinational, the heir of “Greekness”, of Greek Civilization, of
the Greek land the Greek nation, and the individuals who are part of it, but
rather all nations. Perhaps, to Mr. Fokas Spondis purports even that there are
not any Greeks as part of the Greek nation, that there do not exist ancestors
of the ancient Greeks!!!!!
Therefore, Mr. Fokas Spondis is in complete agreement
with the politics of the establishment, i.e. of the USA, of Germany, of the EU
and of Israel. I would like to ask: Is it that Mr. Fokas Spondis has persuaded
the establishment as to the validity of his views, or vice versa? And if he
persuaded them, how did he manage it? If it happened the other way, how did
they manage it? I think it very interesting to know who persuaded whom, and
how..
When one discerns claims about a “multinational Greece
and, hence, a multinational Macedonia also” in the views of Mr. F. Spondis, let
us remember that N. I. Mertzos also, in a recent article of his publicising his
despicable views about an “honourable compromise with Skopje”, he has touched
upon the subject of a “multinational Macedonia”. Is it possible that Boutaris,
Mertzos and Spondis agree with each other? If they do, how has this come about?
Do they have common ideological or political roots? If not, what happened?
So, considering the fact that Mr. Fokas Spondis, by
means of his claims about “ethnic Macedonians”, indirectly raises the issue of
a “multinational Greece”, in combination with the fact that Mr. F. Spondis
seems to be in resonance with Mertzos, Boutaris and the “establishment”, one
draws the conclusion that Mr. Spondis’s claims constitute propaganda. Hence,
they must be considered as unfounded and untrue. Of course, I should not be
referring to “claims of Mr. F. Spondis”, for these are “claims of the BBC,
publicised through Mr. F. Spondis”.
The second most important thing Mr. F. Spondis says,
is the following: “It was partly in reaction to those competing forces that a
distinctive Slav Macedonian identity emerged in the late 19th and early 20th
Century.”!!!! May I ask: Those people who, according to Mr. F.
Spondis, at that point in time (end 19th century to beginning of the
20th) chose to put on the gown, so to speak, of the “Slav
Macedonian”, before that point in time, what gown were they wearing? And may I
ask also: Irrespective of the gown they are wearing, if one focuses on the
body, upon which the gown has been put, this body what is it from the point of
view of nationality? Mr F. Spondis does not touch upon these questions and the
BBC does not pose these questions!!!! Is it by chance?
The BBC through Mr. Fokas Spondis is propagating the
view that: “It was partly in reaction
to those competing forces that a distinctive Slav Macedonian identity emerged
in the late 19th and early 20th Century.”. By doing so, the BBC attempts
to dissociate the notion of “Slav Macedonian” from the policy of “Pan-slavism”.
In other words, the banks-usurers, through the USA and the EU, want to create a
“non-Greek Macedonian” minority. If they succeed, Russia could present this
minority as “Slav Macedonian”, resurrecting thus the policy of Pan-Slavism”.
Should this happen, the USA and the EU would have furthered the interests of
Russia. For this not to happen, they (the banks-usurers, the USA and the EU)
promote the idea that “the Slav identity was formed after the beginning of the
20th century”. Hence, as per this line of thought, the “Slav
Macedonians” are not “Slavs” the way the Russians and “Pan-Slavism” wanted them
to be.
So, considering the claim about when the “Slavic”
identity appeared, in conjunction with the claim that they are talking about “a
Slavic identity” and not “a Slavic nation”, again one comes to the conclusion
that, these claims are nothing but propaganda. Hence, they should be treated as
propaganda.
The powerful ones of this world should deal with how
to solve the problems of the people. Only by doing that, they can secure their
position as “powerful”. History is full of examples of powerful people who lost
their power. All of them lost their power, because ALL OF THEM made the same
mistakes. They made the mistakes, which are being made of the powerful ones of
today. They have been dealing with stupid things and, in the process, have been
creating enemies for themselves. They create big problems and they think that,
because of propaganda, the simple man will not discern what it is that they do.
The propaganda this time tries to deceive the
“locals”, the indigenous Macedonians, who as Macedonians they cannot be
anything but Greek. The powerful bank-usurers, attempt once again to make us
(and the people of Skopje) “food for cannons”. They want to sacrifice us, in
order for them to have geostrategic gains. The establishment today tries, through
the USA and the EU, to do what it had done in the past, first at the time of
the Russian tsars, during the period of the Macedonian Struggle and before, and
then during the period of communism after the 2nd World War. The “establishment”
wants us to get benefits, by getting us killed.
And in order to attain their goal, they present
themselves to us as, if they are interested in our rights. As if they want what
is good for us. As if they “love” us. The do “love” us, but the way wolves
“love” sheep…….
The big words of the wolves dressed as sheep, as we
Macedonians (henceforth, Greeks) have well understood are fake and misleading.
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